RE: Keywords, direct navigation, and search layer 2 (was: RE: "so -called" keyword and layer 3)

[Nicolas Popp <nico@realnames.com>]

The bottom line is that today, the URI for a mobile internet site is usually
very different than the one for the fixed internet (e.g. United Airlines
uses http://www.united.com/ for Web and http://www.ua2go.com/ for WAP).

As you can see from this example, even if a layer 2 service was to return a
list of URIs (either because the service-type has not be chosen as a layer 2
facet or because the set of permissible values are so coarse that the layer
2 service only gets service-type="browsing" in the query), it is not clear
how a client would be able to distinguish between the two (just by looking
at the URI) to assess which one is which.

As Yves pointed out, resolving the name-string + facets to the most
appropriate URI for the device is a valuable service and we would like to
make it part of the requirements.  

-Nico

ps: It should not be a surprise that many Keyword systems implementation
(e.g. I know that Netpia, RealNames...) already offer that type of service
in a commercial form.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Seng/Personal [mailto:jseng@pobox.org.sg]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:54 PM
To: Yves Arrouye; 'Michael Mealling'
Cc: ietf-irnss@lists.elistx.com
Subject: Re: Keywords, direct navigation, and search layer 2 (was: RE:
"so -called" keyword and layer 3)


There are differences on a cell phone compared to a PC. There are more
restriction on a cell phone than a PC, and therefore, an organization
would have differnet content. But that is a second level detail, for
example, differential IE browser, from Netscape, from i-mode browser,
from j-phone browser, from GSM, from GPRS etc.

But the bottomline, all of them are browsing.

If we have an agreement that we need a second level of detail, then Yves
might be right. Otherwise, I am incline to support Michael that all of
them are just browsing.

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yves Arrouye" <yves@realnames.com>
To: "'Michael Mealling'" <michael@neonym.net>
Cc: <ietf-irnss@lists.elistx.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Keywords, direct navigation, and search layer 2 (was: RE:
"so -called" keyword and layer 3)


> > In my mind at least, the service type has more to do with what
> > the user is attempting to do with the sls-name than what the
registrant
> > of the name wishes the user to do....
>
> Browsing on a PC versus browsing on a cell phone are two very
different
> activities for the user. And many organizations have content for both
> activities. I would like whatever we build to support that.
>
> YA
>

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• Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:54:29 -0800
• From: James Seng/Personal <jseng@pobox.org.sg>

There are differences on a cell phone compared to a PC. There are more
restriction on a cell phone than a PC, and therefore, an organization
would have differnet content. But that is a second level detail, for
example, differential IE browser, from Netscape, from i-mode browser,
from j-phone browser, from GSM, from GPRS etc.

But the bottomline, all of them are browsing.

If we have an agreement that we need a second level of detail, then Yves
might be right. Otherwise, I am incline to support Michael that all of
them are just browsing.

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yves Arrouye" <yves@realnames.com>
To: "'Michael Mealling'" <michael@neonym.net>
Cc: <ietf-irnss@lists.elistx.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Keywords, direct navigation, and search layer 2 (was: RE:
"so -called" keyword and layer 3)


> > In my mind at least, the service type has more to do with what
> > the user is attempting to do with the sls-name than what the
registrant
> > of the name wishes the user to do....
>
> Browsing on a PC versus browsing on a cell phone are two very
different
> activities for the user. And many organizations have content for both
> activities. I would like whatever we build to support that.
>
> YA
>

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