Re: [ietf-maillists-editors] managing IETF mailing lists (fwd)

[Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>]

Sure, forward progress is the converse of disruption, so it can
be stated both positively and negatively. The real point in the
IESG's mind is to get away from a tendency (that RFC 3683 encourages)
to think of things in terms of crime and punishment.

   Brian

James M Galvin wrote:
> Seems I lost something through the versions.  Although I never used the 
> word "disruption" I had always intended there be a principle regarding 
> forward progress.
>
> However, although I agree with your point your phrasing strikes me as 
> having a somewhat negative spin to it.  As I think about how I might 
> suggest saying this differently it occurs to me that there is no 
> "principle" associated with each of the definitions.
>
> Specifically, if we agree with the definitions then it occurs to me we 
> should have principle regarding the responsibilities of the roles 
> defined there.  If we did this, then there would be a principle 
> regarding behavior on the mailing list and the responsibility of the 
> sergeant-at-arms to ensure forward progress is not "disrupted" by bad or 
> poor behavior.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -- On Monday, June 26, 2006 2:37 PM +0200 Brian E Carpenter 
> <brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote regarding Re: [ietf-maillists-editors] 
> managing IETF mailing lists (fwd) --
>
> > One comment I have on the draft is that it doesn't mention
> > the word "disruption." In the most recent IESG discussion on
> > this topic, we identified the goal as "managing disruption".
> > (And certainly not as punitive action.)
> >
> > I'd like to see this mentioned as a matter of principle,
> > e.g.
> >
> > o A mailing list is only of value as long as the progress
> > of discussion is not disrupted. An important objective is
> > to provide tools and methods to list managers to manage
> > and stop disruption when it occurs.
> >
> > See http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/Spring06retreatNotes.txt
> > section 4.
> >
> >      Brian
> >
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