Re: Final Call: accept incorporated comments

[todd glassey <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

OK say someone finally has it up to wherever they do and they file a lawsuit
against the IETF or the NonCom or any of the other orgs that piggyback off
of this "there will be no records kept" philosophy. What then?

My take is that the courts come in and find that

    1) none of the organizations have any way of proving squat except
through the verbal testimony of the people that will likely be named as
co-defendants to the cause of action. So what you have is a bunch of people
standing around saying "Nuh uh - we didn't do it" and "yes you should
believe us because we all say so!." Sound like Enron to anyone here? Not
that these two situations are the same, but the cries would likely be
similar I think. So I have to ask "Why should we believe them?".

    2) that the Arthur Andersen matter taught us that even auditors lie. And
lawyers too it seems. So why not Standards Group Members? this further
enforces the need for a new method here.

The point is that ***everything*** that the IETF and IESG do must be above
board and should in my opinion be done in the  light of day for all to see.
This effects everything from charters, RFC's on process, and to some extent
whether its reasonable for POISSON to exist at all.

Todd


----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Klyne" <GK-lists@ninebynine.org>
To: "Robert Elz" <kre@MUNNARI.OZ.AU>
Cc: "James M Galvin" <galvin+ietf-nomcom@eListX.com>;
<ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com>; <poised@lists.tislabs.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Final Call: accept incorporated comments


> A thought on the archival of comments to NonCom:
>
> Would it be sufficient/acceptable to archive the comments without the
> identity of the person from whom they came?  (Or just a hash of the
> sender's email address, or... )  Possibly with an affirmation of a
> then-serving member of NonCom that the comments came from a participant in
> the IETF processes.
>
> Like specifications review, I would hope the _content_ of comments carries
> more weight than the identity of their author.
>
> #g
>
>
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> Graham Klyne
> <GK@NineByNine.org>
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