Re: DISCUSSION: TERM LIMITS - Was Re: Final Call: accept incorporated comments

[todd glassey <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

A most humorous method of pointing the finger back at me - was the intent to
cloud the issue or to just discredit my commentary Eric? But Eric - you are
wrong.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine" <brunner@nic-naa.net>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
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Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: DISCUSSION: TERM LIMITS - Was Re: Final Call: accept
incorporated comments


> its taken a while, but the complaintant has finally surfaced his
motivating
> issue, to wit:
>
> ... One ofthe PKIX WG
> Chairs has been sitting since PKIX was founded - seven years ago.
>
> it took under 20 cross-posts to hither-and-yon (and i do hope i'm not on
> all the lists comprising h-&-y) to work up to the sticking point. how many
> it will take to get to a substantive issue claim and an inapplicability of
> 2026 process is left as an exercise to the reader.


Wrong - Eric if you intend to publicly accuse me of trying to have PKIX
reworked into something that was and is more industry friendly then that is
true. Also that has some level of integrity that is demonsterable after the
fact, that also is true. If you are claiming that this is about replacing
"Steve" just be3cause he has been abusive and refuses to show any of my
comments any space, you are also wrong.

For the record, what this is all about is forcing a stream of fresh blood
into ALL working groups such that NO ONE individual can create a throne out
of a WG Chair or IESG Seat or make a career of serving in the IETF such that
they must be a part of the management team as part of their livelihood.
Afterall this is supposed to be a volenteer organization. Which also says
that if we find that this Fresh Blood is not available then we should close
down those WG's - this is not a kingdom we are building, it is the Intenet.

As to the issues of PKIX  and its being able to prove that it has no
internal agenda, it like all IEFT WG's is incapable of proving anything
about what it did or the process that was gone through to do any of its
standards. It can show an unauthenticated and unreiable copy of most all of
the WG's mail but that is a fraction of what goes on in the operations and
processes or creating a standard and it certainly says nothing to the
commercial interets that fund the continued seating of the individuals that
have made a career of this IETF.

No, we need integrity just as bad as Enron does. Maybe more. And this is put
in place not by the people that are elected but by the processes they
embrace and enforce.

Sorry Eric -

Todd
>
> bored,
> brunner
>