Re: DISCUSSION: rejecting candidates

[Dave Crocker <dcrocker@brandenburg.com>]

At 11:44 AM 4/16/2002 +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
> > First of all, the idea that a bit more time will make it possible for the
> > review body to replicate the work of nomcom is not realistic.
>
> i think the hope is s/replicate/understand and consider/

that distinction is the entire issue, in particular what exactly is the 
goal of understanding and considering.


> and then, to negotiate if there is serious doubt/disagreement

Yes, but what is valid to disagree about?

To repeat, I believe that the review body can and must obtain enough 
information to convince itself that nomcom conducted a fair and deliberated 
process and that it had sufficient information.  I also believe that the 
review body should not attempt to second-guess the nomcom.  In fact these 
can seem to be competing goals.  As I noted, I believe it is entirely 
appropriate for the review panel to react to an unusual nomcom 
recommendation by requiring unusual degrees of convincing that the decision 
was developed adequately.


FYI, folks:

For reference, I am belaboring this topic because I believe there is 
long-standing, deep-seated confusion about this, and that the IETF would do 
well to find a way to state the nature, goals and limits of the nomcom 
review mechanisms much, much more carefully and completely than we so far 
have.  (The danger with such an effort, of course, is that it will overly 
constrain legitimate review.)

Disagreements/challenges between the nomcom and the review group are 
extremely awkward and the communication channel between them is remarkably 
poor.  Very narrow and very high latency.  No meaningful basis for 
"negotiation".

The communication problem is exacerbated by the mutual desire to make the 
communications hyper-clean and careful.  This is good for diplomacy and bad 
for conveying depth of honest meaning.

d/

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