Re: WG Review: Operation of the IESG/IAB Nominating andRecallCommittees (nomcom)

[Dave Crocker <dcrocker@brandenburg.com>]

At 08:12 AM 4/16/2002 +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> No. I'm suggesting that we have plenty of problems already on the table: 
> more than
> fit in the length of a reasonable charter.

Would that line of thinking would be accepted for chartering a technical 
effort, yet technical efforts are far easier than the social/political 
details of IETF process.  If so, please provide some examples, for working 
groups efforts that were successful.


>   It means that the IESG would be sprinkling pixie dust on an
> > effort that has literally no meaningful focus or constraints.
>
> Nonsense. Aren't you the same Dave Crocker we've been arguing with under
> the subject field "rejecting candidates" for example? I see no pixie dust 
> there.

Perhaps your sequitor is not non, but your meaning escapes me.  However by 
way of trying to save a round-trip, here are some guesses at what you mean, 
along with responses:

It is not nonsense to note that the proposed charter is without any 
meaningful guidance for the working group and that such a deficiency is 
normally deemed entirely unacceptable for IETF charters.  In fact it is 
tempting to claim that this is the most content-free charter we've ever 
had, but that would lead to a very wasteful and embarrassing contest.

My guess about your reference to my postings on a separate thread:  You are 
suggesting that my objecting to a content-free charter means that I think 
there is nothing to work on?  Quite the contrary.  And dealing with those 
details will be a delight.

However we need to pay attention to the process that helps working groups 
succeed and we have far too much experience with loose charters -- 
especially when they apply to difficult areas that are far easier than this 
one.

Let's position the effort for success.  In the IETF, that means a careful 
charter.

d/

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