Re: Possible extra "oral tradition" for draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-01.txt

["Joel M. Halpern" <joel@stevecrocker.com>]

One of the reasons why I at least would like to see names available 
earlier, and more feedback to the nomcom about people earlier is that some 
of this apparent intransigence (to use a prejudicial description) is human 
nature.  By the time the nomcom has worked its way through the tough job it 
has, and managed to come to agreement on a slate of candidates, the members 
have spent a lot of time and energy on this.  As a consequence, there is 
going to be very strong natural resistance to changing the plan.  This is 
not to insult the members or imply that they are deliberately refusing to 
cooperate.  It is a natural consequence of the way human beings react once 
they have reached tough decisions.

The corollary in my mind is that input which we want to have considered 
needs to get in before the final slate of candidates is selected by the nomcom.

Yours,
Joel M. Halpern

At 10:05 PM 7/14/2002 -0700, Matt Holdrege wrote:
> At 06:08 PM 7/14/2002, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> > To the extent to which such guidelines do not exist, the process
> > of review by the confirming bodies tends to deteriorate into
> > "this doesn't seem right, are you sure?" and "we will, more or
> > less enthusiastically, go through the motions of whatever
> > additional review you ask for, but there is no chance that we
> > will actually reconsider" interactions.  We've seen what appears
> > to be that pattern on and off over the years, and it doesn't seem
> > to me to be healthy.
>
> People can say "I'm not changing my mind", but there is no point in 
> worrying about that until they actually see the concerns or evidence. We 
> can say we prefer person X over person Y based on all the data points we 
> have received so far. If the confirming body claims to have more data 
> points that might sway the vote, then it should present them ASAP and let 
> the nomcom review them. But basically you've put yourself in the nomcom's 
> hands and you have to hope they do right. With the breadth of people on 
> the nomcom plus chair and liaison's, I doubt you'll ever see anything go 
> horribly wrong.
>
>
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