Re:

[Donald Eastlake 3rd <dee3@torque.pothole.com>]

Nothing is totally unambiguous. Right now the rules say that the
Secretariate decides if someone has attended. So operationally, it is
perfectly well defined. You present your arguments to the Secretariate
and they give an answer.

Of course, like everything else, you can imagine cases where it got
further appealed and ultimately ended up in the court system in which
case "attended", in the absence of any further definition by the IETF,
would be interpreted as whatever the judge/jury thought it should mean.  
If we want things to be more precise and less flexible, we should add
verbage, such as the one sentence I suggested to define "attendence" for
this purpose.

Donald

PS: Nomcom selection stability is also important so there should be a
clear cut off, with reasonable notice, for all objections to those on
the volunteer list. Any complaints about non-attendence after that cut
off are ignored.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Thomas Narten wrote:

> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:20:23 -0400
> From: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
> To: Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org>, ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com
> Subject: Re:
> 
> > I still like Phil's original suggestion,
> > "registered for and attended", which at least expresses it partially.  
> 
> Let's be pragmatic too. If person Y comes along and says "But person X
> didn't attend, even though they registered, so I object to him/her
> being on nomcom", what happens to our process now? How will this issue
> be resolved?
> 
> We'd be advised to have a rule that avoids ambiguities and stick to
> rules where it is relatively easy to verify one way or what a person's
> status is.
> 
> And what does "attended" mean after all? spent 5 minutes in 3 WG
> sessions but then hung out in the hall the rest of the time? Let's not
> go there. Diminishing returns (at best).
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
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