Re: Current version?

[Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>]

Mike St J certainly convinced me that the text needed to be changed.
Just to refresh the argument, "consult" suggests a level of interdependency
that isn't compatible either with the confirming body's independent
role or with the strict confidentiality of the Nomcom's discussions.
My proposed text describes fairly accurately what has actually 
happened in my experience (8 years on one of the confirming bodies,
and 3 years on the other).

Given that nobody disagreed with Mike and I on the list, once we
reached agreement, I would certainly challenge the statement that
there is no consensus for the change. 

   Brian

RJ Atkinson wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 17:18 America/Montreal, James M Galvin
> wrote:
> 
> > Speaking as editor, when you have a standing document it is not
> > necessarily about opposing opinions.  The question is whether there is
> > consensus (overwhelming or compelling) to change the existing document.
> >
> > Jim
> 
> Jim,
> 
> If the only opinions expressed on list are favourable, under RFC-2026
> as amended, I don't see any way one can interpret that as anything
> but rough consensus.  Now if some dissent were visible on the list
> and there were a mixture of expressed views with no clear trendline,
> then the situation might be different.
> 
> Neither Document Editors nor WG Chairs are empowered to ignore the
> expressed views on-list when determining consensus.  And silence
> does not imply either consent or dissent under normal circumstances.
> Lots of times folks who agree see no point in posting notes about
> their agreement -- since the opinion they agree with has already
> been expressed.
> 
> Are you claiming there was any visible dissent on the mailing list ?
>         If yes, which messages in the archive should I refer to ?
>         If no, then I don't see how the issue could properly have been
>                 determined to be "no change" under RFC-2026 as amended.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ran Atkinson
> rja@extremenetworks.com
> 
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Brian E Carpenter 
Distinguished Engineer, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM 
On assignment at the IBM Zurich Laboratory, Switzerland