RE: Liaisons interoperation with NOMCOM members

["Bound, Jim" <Jim.Bound@hp.com>]

The NOMCOM can need at times an entity without IESG and IAB involvement.
Having served on a NOMCOM the example I will use is when the NOMCOM
wants to discuss privately and confidentially the issues of keep or
replace IESG or IAB members to keep that NOMCOM private conversation
from everyone except the NOMCOM members.  I can think of others but that
is what I mean't by keeping the Government out of the voting booth.  I
agree with Brian why they should be present.  This also gives input to
the NOMCOM if an IESG or IAB member is participating to much in the
defense or denial of candidates or existing members to get them out of
the room because they really should not be doing that other than any
other IETF community member as input to the NOMCOM.  Bottom line IESG or
IAB should not have any extra or more influence on the actual decision
than anyone else that NOMCOM will speak with in the community.

I think the proposed wording would fix this and very minor enhancement.
Then I am done here with my input on this one.

Regards,
/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:joel@stevecrocker.com] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:29 PM
> To: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com
> Subject: Re: Liaisons interoperation with NOMCOM members
> 
> 
> I disagree.  I believe that many of the reasons for having 
> the liaisons at 
> all are impossible if they are excluded from most 
> conversations. I do not believe that there is any damage from 
> having the liaisons in the 
> room.  I find your analogy misleading.
> 
> I have not significant objection to the alternative proposal 
> of giving the 
> chair explicit power to exclude the liaisons from selected 
> discussions.
> 
> Yours,
> Joel M. Halpern
> 
> At 12:30 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, Bound, Jim wrote:
> >In the current document it is not clear totally to me that 
> the Liaisons 
> >should play a more limited role than currently stated, and 
> this should 
> >be the case.  The IAB and IESG Liaisons should only be 
> present during 
> >NOMCOM deliberations when requested and should not be part of the 
> >NOMCOM discourse, unless they are required for clarfication as 
> >Liaisons. Having the Liaisons in the room with the NOMCOM is like 
> >having the Government with you in the voting booth, which is 
> not good.
> >
> >Thoughts?
> >
> >Regards,
> >/jim
> >
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