Re: One more comments on the process draft

[Donald Eastlake 3rd <dee3@torque.pothole.com>]

Lixia,

This was discussed very extensively, as it is every time this document
is revised. After long arguments with lots of proposals, all of which
should be in the archives, 3 out of the last 5 was decided on. I suggest
it is too late to re-open this question.

If the chair allows it to be re-opened, I suspect that many of the
advocates of many of the previously advanced positions will speak up and
demand that their suggestions be re-considered also.

As you agree, there was rough consensus that the change is an
improvement. It is not clear to me that we could reach rough consensus
in a reasonable length of time that any other change is a greater
improvement.

Thanks,
Donald
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Lixia Zhang wrote:

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:28:28 -0700
> From: Lixia Zhang <lixia@CS.UCLA.EDU>
> To: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com
> Subject: One more comments on the process draft
> 
> I sincerely apologize for this belated comment (only got on the mailing list
> yesterday)
> 
> 
>    15.  Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of
>         the last 5 IETF meetings in order to volunteer.
> 
>      ........
>         Volunteers are expected to be familiar with the IETF processes
>         and procedures, which are readily learned by active
>         participation in a working group and especially by serving as a
>         document editor or working group chair.
> 
> The above is a step forward from the prev requirement (2 out of last 3
> meetings).  I assume the intention is to get volunteers with adequate
> familiarity with BOTH the IETF process AND the individual participants. I
> would like to suggest to make this step a little bigger.
> 
> One could meet the above requirement by attending the last 3 meetings during
> one year period, which seems still a bit too short.  And the expectation of
> being "familiar with the IETF processes" is a subjective one  (in academic
> publication reviews, graduate students are most likely ones to consider
> themselves "expert in the subject area" :-)
> 
> Given the current economical conditions, there can also be well qualified
> people who may have attended many IETF meetings previously but unable to
> attend as often in the last 2 years.
> 
> So how about the following as a suggestion:
> 
>    15.  in order to volunteer, Members of the IETF community must
>         have attended at least 4 of the last 8 IETF meetings and the first
>         attendance must be at least 3 years prior to the date on which the
>         solicitation for nominating
>         committee volunteers was submitted for distribution to the IETF
>         community.
> 
> Lixia
> 
> 
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