Re: IESG Issue 2

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Brian and all,

  Brian, I know you are going to disagree with me again on this issue,
but candidates should be any participating IETF individual.  Let them
stand on their own merits and answer questions by the IETF
participants regarding any elected position.

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> "Joel M. Halpern" wrote:
> >
> > While one may argue that the document should say that new IESG openings
> > need to be "advertised", that is not what I understand it to currently say.
>
> Correct.
>
> > My understanding of the document and of the discussion in the working group
> > is that we decided not to make moving people a major difficulty, and
> > therefore decided to allow quasi-simultaneous filling of created openings.
>
> Correct. But if (and it seems unlikely to me) a sitting IESG member is
> appointed to the IAB, and no nominees have been solicited for that IESG
> slot, the current text seems to allow the Nomcom to pick a candidate out
> of thin air. That seems like a bug.
>
> >
> > My own reading and estimating of reactions is that if we declare that
> > openings that are created by moving people must be publicly vacated,
> > solicited, and filled then we are essentially telling the nomcom not to
> > move people around.  Because no nomcom is going to want to make that much
> > extra work for itself.
>
> Yes. But the situation I've mentioned above (an Area Director jumps ship
> late during the NomCom process to join the IAB) does seem like an
> extraordinary case and not one that any NomCom is likely to create
> spontaneously anyway. If we want to give the NomCom discretion to
> move ADs around (and I think we do) let's just say so. We could replace
> the whole disputed text, e.g.
>
> It is consistent with these rules for the Nominating Committee
> to nominate a sitting Area Director to a different Area and simultaneously
> nominate a new Area Director to the position thus vacated, or to
> nominate a sitting IAB member to an Area Director position and
> simultaneously nominate a new IAB member to the position thus vacated.
> Any other moves between positions must be treated as resignations
> that create bmid-term vacancies.
>
>    Brian
>
> > If we want to make moving people an emergency maneuver, we can.  I
> > personally do not want to make such a change to the accepted practice.
>
> In terms of moving people between different AD slots, I agree. It's only
> the case of creating a completely new vacancy by moving an AD to the
> IAB that bothers me.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Joel M. Halpern
> >
> > At 09:10 PM 10/8/2003 +0700, Robert Elz wrote:
> > >     Date:        Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:36:39 +0200
> > >     From:        Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
> > >     Message-ID:  <3F8412E7.EC8B4026@zurich.ibm.com>
> > >
> > >   | I think Scott is correct that there is an asymmetry.
> > >
> > >I think there could be, but I don't see any reason that it needs to be so.
> > >
> > >   | An IAB member moving to an IESG position simply increases the number
> > >   | of identical IAB slots to fill. The process should not require a new
> > >   | call for nominees.
> > >
> > >Perhaps, but filling that last (new) open IAB position is hardly
> > >critical to anything - the IAB would manage just fine with one less
> > >member for a month or two.   I would not create a special case just
> > >to avoid that.
> > >
> > >   | What is described in the draft is appropriate.
> > >
> > >You're assuming that what the draft says is what it was claimed to
> > >say.   I disagree with that, I believe that if you read it carefully
> > >you'll find it says nothing of the kind.
> > >
> > >   | An IESG member moving to the IAB creates an unannounced specific
> > > vacancy in
> > >   | the IESG. The process should require a new call for nominees.
> > >
> > >yes, absolutely, and that's what I think the draft now assumes.   Perhaps
> > >it could be made clearer that this is what it is saying, but I believe that
> > >is what is already there.
> > >
> > >Given that, while I have no problem with clarifying text, I certainly would
> > >not be adding special text to allow something different just so the IAB can
> > >have an extra member a little quicker.
> > >
> > >kre
> > >
> > >
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