Re: IESG Issue 2

[Michael StJohns <mstjohns@mindspring.com>]

Sorry for ignoring this for as long as I have but I was hoping it would go 
away.

Since I'm the one who started the trend of moving people from one ADs job 
to another I figure I should try and make a constructive suggestion.

In general, each area has at least one AD position open and advertised each 
year (2 ADs alternating).

There are three cases to this - 1) Moving an expiring AD (e.g. one that's 
up for reappointment) from one solicited position to another (either AD or 
IAB), 2) Moving a non-expiring AD from their current non-advertised 
position to another AD job, and 3) Moving a non-expiring AD to the IAB.

1) No problem, both the old and new slots were advertised and the candidate 
vacates the old slot when the new appointee takes office.

2) Not much of a problem as long as the position (E.g. internet AD) was 
advertised - all you're doing is filling 2 copies of the position instead 
of one - and that's what happened under the Nomcom I chaired.  This isn't 
much different than what happens with the IAB.  If there is only one AD for 
an area (e.g. like Security and User Services used to be) and it wasn't 
being advertised, then the position needs to be filled as a mid term 
vacancy - but that should be rare under current organization.

3) This one is problematic and differs from 2 in that there is no absolute 
prohibition on someone being on both the IESG and the IAB.  With 2, the old 
position becomes vacant upon the AD accepting appointment to the new 
position and having the IAB approve it.  In 3, the old position doesn't 
become vacant until the AD explictly resigns.  Under current rules, this 
one should also be filled as a mid-term vacancy.  One of the reasons why I 
lobbied so hard for a rule prohibiting dual IAB/IESG membership was to make 
things like this easier to deal with.


Fix:  If the type of position (e.g. security AD) was advertised, the Nomcom 
can take action to fill it from the set of candidates it already has for 
that type of slot.  If the type of position was not advertised (e.g. 
because it was an off year and there was only one of that type) it must not 
take action to fill it and it must treat it as a mid-term 
vacancy.  However, once the candidate has accepted appointment to the new 
position and once the IAB has confirmed them and the announcement has been 
made, the Nomcom can immediately begin the process of selection for 
replacement.

Other fix:  Dual Membership on both the IAB and IESG is prohibited.  A 
nominee who accepts appointment to one body automatically vacates their 
position on the other body not later than noon on the last of the First 
IETF meeting.  As long as the to-be-vacated position type has been 
advertised, the Nomcom shall take action to fill it.




At 08:47 10/8/2003, Scott Bradner wrote:

> I see little reason to do a new search if the case is someone with
> time left in their IAB term moving from the IAB to the IESG. I do
> not see a realistic problem that would be solved by doing so.  The
> community suggested people for the IAB already in the process and
> the IAB members should be generalists (i.e. no IAB topic-specific
> seats)
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> but the case of an IESG member with time left in their term
> being moved to the IAB or another IESG seat should cause a
> new call for nominees to fill the open IESG seat
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> (while moving in mid term from the IESG to the IAB might not
> have happened I can easily see the case (its not all that different
> from someone just quiting being an IESG member which does happen)
>
> Scott
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